Joepathy – My Reaction By: msrao October 29 2008

I discovered the article below dating back to 2008 on the Homeopathy and More Forum of which I was a founder member and felt that I should copy it on my own Website to enable visitors to read it.

http://www.homeopathyandmore.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2588

Joepathy – My Reaction
By: msrao
October 29 2008
Dear Sir,
This is the first time I am coming across the term ‘Joepathy’.Perhaps this is due to my inadequate exposure to the outside world or may be indifference.In fact as soon as I came to know the existence of such a web (through you) I logged into it with some excitement. While doing so I trespassed in to neighboring websites as well!To say the least I was shocked to see the vituperative language used by your detractors. While I am not competent to go into the merits of the dispute I cannot help myself from expressing my opinion on this vexed issue. My knowledge of homeopathy is rudimentary which I picked up from my frequent visits to homeopathic stores and desultory reading of some elementary books on the subject. But as a layman I think I am entitled to express my views on the subject.

As I understand the whole problem revolves around specific medicine for a particular ailment as against the totality of symptoms advocated by the classical homeopaths. When I visit any homeopathic stores, I find that some of the internationally renowned firms dishing out medicines for specific ailments containing combination of a number of homeopathic medicines, whereas the method followed by you , is at least, a single remedy at a time (as I understand). Is it not more ‘criminal’ than the method followed by you?

Your plea is that you have found a particular medicine(drug)cures more diseases than mentioned in the conventional materia medica (by dint of your experience)and as such to be included in the materia medica, of course after proper investigation.

If a drug or medicine happens to be panacea for a host of ailments, then, what is wrong in prescribing that medicine and sharing the knowledge with others?

I have seen a number of homeopaths (classical or otherwise) prescribing one medicine for the morning and another for evening. Does it not go against the grain of pure homeopathic principles? Slowly and irrevocably we are slipping into combination theory, in a novel way, whether we admit it or not.

Your suggestion that the provings should be carried forward and not content ourselves with already known is noteworthy. This calls for an open mind on the part of medical fraternity.

I would request you to ignore the diatribe and continue to serve the humanity. At one stage you expressed your anguish that you were spending more time in defending yourself than attending to the needs of patients. It is a pity!

I think I have understood the case and my remarks make sense.

Long live Joe the maverick!

With regards,
M.S.Rao

Re: Joepathy – My Reaction
By: Joe De Livera
Sri Lanka
October 29 2008
I was delighted to read your post which made me realize that many people who have read my posts on the Homeopathic Forums I used to visit daily in the past, have finally realized that the therapy I have tried to promote for the last 5 years on various Homeopathic forums is based on the “this for that” therapy aka “Joepathy”. I did so as I discovered that it was far more effective than the stereotype classical method that some classically trained homeopaths use. Please note that this term Joepathy owes its origin to the same classical homeopathic fraternity and I often feel that in coining this term which they originally used in a derisive sense, they unwittingly honoured me as this term Jeopathy is now internationally accepted to describe the direct allopathic form of therapy that I use. Google picked it up some time ago and lists some of my more interesting cases numbering over 120.

I have persisted in using Joepathy to help my patients as I have invariably found that the elusive single remedy that the learned classical homeopath finally prescribes, according to the rules, for the totality of the symptoms that a patient presents from the top of his head does not usually work. As a result the patient is sent home in greater distress than when he consulted the homeopath who charges a handsome fee for each consultation. In my case as I presume that you are aware, I do not levy any charge for my services as I am not a professional qualified homeopath. To me Homeopathy is only a hobby which I practice in my free time as it gives me a deep sense of satisfaction to heal anyone who consults me which many do after they have visited doctors, ayurvedic physicians and classical homeopaths. They consult me as a last resort and are agreeably surprised to discover that their ailment from which they had suffered sometimes for years is history, often overnight.

It is the criticism of my therapy that irked me resulting in my spending more time in defending Joepathy. I have always maintained that it is the patient who comes first and not the method used, classical or Joepathy that matters. I cannot understand the reason why I have been subjected to this constant criticism as the proof of the pudding is there in all the forums for anyone to read and the number of grateful patients who have testified to have been cured is too numerous to be counted.

I would like you to please visit the link below and read the discussion that ensued some years ago on another forum where I have spelt out in detail the reason for my preferring my own Joepathy over the classical method and I shall be interested to have your response to this post. I believe that comments from those who are interested in using the Joepathy form of therapy can help to advance the progress of Homeopathy.

http://www.otherhealth.com/homeopathy-discussion/6576-all-homeopaths-who-have-criticized-me.html

Re:Joepathy – My Reaction
By: msrao
October 31 2008
Dear Sir,
I have gone through the website suggested by you and other related websites.What I gather is ….the members have taken umbrage at your using the forum for propagating your brand of “pathy”.It is understandable.But it is sad to see that the discussion has degenerated into downright abuse.
The learned members are of the view that it is unethical and sometimes dangerous to prescribe medicines solely on the basis of a few physical symptoms without taking into account the totality of symptoms.This is perfectly in line with the basic principles of homeopathy.But this is an ideal situation.However the present day life demands a little flexibility.
What baffles me is that even veterans like Nash say that a peculiar physical symptom clinches the selection of the remedy irrespective of the nature of the disease.I am also of the opinion that taking the case in an elaborate manner is a luxury which we can ill afford,when a simpler but effective method can be adopted.That is what exactly Mr.Joe is trying to do.I am not suggesting that homeopathic principles as propounded by the founder should be thrown to winds.We should strive to follow it where ever possible ,but mulishly adhering to it in the face of fast changing lifestyle is not going to advance the cause of homeopathy nor will help the public.The array of homeopathic medicines and the radical literature available in the market is a witness to the silent revolution that is taking place.I have seen many a successful practitioners adopting a slightly different approach.Painting Mr.Joe as some one with sinister motives is most uncalled for.
Let me recant my recent experience.Two months ago I traveled from Detroit to LasVegas (4hrsflight).A few hours after landing I got excruciating pain in the lower legs.I attributed it to arthritis the most common ailment of advancing years .As I was almost “crippled”I took a pain killer to tide over the crisis.But I felt that the root cause lay elsewhere.I felt that this was something to do with poor circulation of blood in the lower legs.(as I had read and seen on TV).I had also read that Ferrum Phos and Arnica would be useful in such cases.I took these and in a few days I was relieved of the pain and it has not returned since.I did not take any mental symptoms in to account.Quackery at its best!I crave the indulgence of the members.I do not pretend to educate the members nor is my intention that others should follow suit.I understand that this occurs when the heart becomes “inefficient”and these medicines tone up the muscles.
The ultimate aim of any system is to give relief if not complete cure.If any medicine is helpful in this pursuit it is most welcome,call it by any name.
I abhor to call ‘joepathy’ as a separate system.The same homeopathic medicines are used except that emphasis is on physical symptoms.What about tissue salts …..the whole philosophy being that deficiency of any one of the twelve salts identified by the founder causes disease,without undue emphasis on mental symptoms.The homeopaths have taken this system under their umbrella!
Let not ‘Joe’ issue be blown out of proportion and my humble request is that his experience should be utilised for the benefit of mankind.
I stand corrected,if I am wrong.
With regards,
MS.Rao.

Re:Joepathy – My Reaction
By: msrao
October 31 2008
Dear Sir,
Small correction: The word recant may be read as recount.
Regards,
M.S.Rao

Re: Joepathy – My Reaction
By: Joe De Livera
Sri Lanka
December 25 2009
I stumbled on this Thread when I was doing a search for previous post I had made and thought that members may like to read it.

Re: Joepathy – My Reaction
By: Joe De Livera
Sri Lanka
March 4 2010
Bumped up again as it may be of interest to members.

Re:Joepathy – My Reaction
By: garcot
Bangalore
March 4 2010
msrao said:

“Quackery at its best!I crave the indulgence of the members”

Thanks for your well written article sharing your experiences.

We Love Mr.Joe in this forum and we have great respect for his contributions to humanity. And in this forum, we go much beyond just “homeopathy”. The term homeopathy might have emerged 200 years ago, but the principle ” Like cures like ” is very very ancient. Infact, many vedic literatures talk in detail about the efficacy of this principle.

We make our own remedies ( from allopathic drugs, ayurvedic, edible nuts, siddha medicines etc) which follow this principle, but the method of preparation, may not follow what is told in Organon 5 , 6 or earlier. But all these self made remedies have worked wonders on many, because there is no violation of the basic principle what nature has laid down for the benefits of humanity. Infact, Arnica for example, has about 4000 listed symptoms in materia medica. And there are another 1000 symptoms that we can add. And this is precisely what Mr.Joe has proved.

Niether the provers are gods, nor the people who recorded the provings are!
Let us accept our knowledge is self-limiting….

Best
Garcot

“wisdom in your body is deeper than your deepest philosophy”(Nietszche)

4 Comments

  1. Rose says:

    Hello Sir,
    I have been reader of your blog for the last couple of years.
    I am taking arnica30 WD and Natphos 6X. Both are helping me in general.

    May God be with you Amen. Thanks for your time.

    I am 40 yrs old female, Indian origin, mother of two.
    Do you any remedies for menstrual pain? After pregnancy no pain for few months and then started again.This will be a lots of help for the women suffering with this pain.
    Regards,

    • Joe says:

      Glad to note that you have read my Blog for some years and that you are taking both Arnica 30c and Nat Phos 6x which are helping you.

      Please indicate precisely how you are taking both remedies and the frequency of the dosage of each. Are you taking them in the Wet Dose?

      Arnica 30c in my default therapy for Menstrual pain and it is possible that you are not taking it as prescribed by me and this has resulted in the pain you describe. Do you bleed more than usual?

      If your pain and bleeding continue, it will be necessary that you consult a gynaecologist to verify if you suffer from Endometriosis which is usually accompanied by Chocolate Cysts.

  2. NAJAMUL-ISLAM says:

    DEAR SIR

    IAM SUFFERING MULTI LEVEL DISC PROBLEM DUE TO WHICH I FELL NAMNACE IN MY BOTH LEG AND BURNING SENSATINON IN MY LEFT LEG AND IFELL DIFFICULTY IN WALKING WITH OUT STIC SOME TIMES MY I FEEL STIFNESS IN MY LEFT FEET
    CAN YOU PLEASE ADVICE ME SOME TREATMENT

    THANKING YOU
    nAJAM

    • Joe says:

      Have you consulted a doctor to diagnose your problem?

      How old are you and for how long have you had this problem?
      What is your weight and height?

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